How many solar panels can you eat?

It’s interesting that both Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak have spoken out against covering farmland with solar panels. You do wonder if finally, people are beginning to wake up a little.

Personally I think that, whether he intended to or not, Putin has created a watershed in history, but not perhaps in the way he intended.

If we go back to the start of the century, Ed Miliband put the green levies on energy. But at the same time a lot of other things were put in place, all nicely set ten, twenty or even thirty years ahead. Politicians were kicking unexploded bombs into the long grass secure in the knowledge that by the time these things happened and the public started feeling the pain, they’d be long retired on a good pension and their successors could take the flak.

When they were announced, the ban on the installation of new gas boilers in homes (2025) and the ban on the sales of new petrol and diesel cars (2030) seemed a long time off.
But the aim was that energy was always going to become more expensive. Fewer people would be able to heat their homes to the level they were used to, people would learn to wear more clothes indoors and probably cut back gradually on non-essential spending. This was always on the cards, you cannot increase the proportion of somebody’s income they have to pay on one thing and expect them to keep spending as much on anything else. Over a period our economy would have evolved. Some people, perhaps those in hospitality, or perhaps in fast fashion, would take a kicking, but people would switch industries.

But from the politicians’ point of view, this was safely a long way off. But time has moved on. The next general election is 2025, and whoever wins that has to take all the flak for boilers and try and cope with the chaos as they frantically try to create enough charging points for electric cars. I do seriously wonder if the Labour party leader has been smart enough to work out that the next election is one you don’t want to win and feels for the good of the party it would be better to be out of office until the 2030 election.

And then we have Covid, which utterly screwed both work patterns, but also expectations. When we had lockdown a lot of people just sat at home and were paid damn near their full salary for doing nothing, whilst a lot more ‘worked from home’ and got full salary for doing, in some cases, not much more. When trouble hits, government will dance amongst us like some frenetic Easter bunny, bountifully casting largesse at random.

Finally stir Putin into the mix. With regard to energy, Putin has merely forced EU and other states to do what they were supposedly intending to do it, but in six months, not thirty years. The politicians who assumed all this stuff would hit when they were collecting their pensions are watching with horror as the political slurry washes around their beautiful patent leather shoes.

Let us get acknowledge this first. When the tanks crossed with Ukrainian border, the world changed.

Even if Putin falls, will anybody dare rely on Russian energy? Or will the continued rush into renewables and nuclear continue, leaving Russia a minor raw materials producer with an aging population and an embarrassing dearth of young men?

Also, from a farming point of view, Putin massively dislocated the production and distribution of basic foodstuffs. Even a UK politician cannot ignore that effect.

Indeed, it may be that one of the best things that happened to British farmers was a drought this summer. On top of a world food crisis, and world energy crisis, it was obvious that we cannot take our own food production for granted.

Suddenly bold schemes for rewilding and/or covering vast areas with solar panels and trees are starting to look a tad silly. Hopefully they’re obviously silly enough for even politicians to be embarrassed at being seen to promote them.  

So what will this winter be like?
I suspect we’ll be sick of seeing underdressed but photogenic people (probably in the Home Counties) complaining their houses are cold because they’ve had to turn the central heating down a couple of degrees. Elsewhere less photogenic people in poorer areas will be wearing every garment they have. But then this isn’t new, last year at our foodbank a company donated a heap of nice new fleece blankets which we handed out to people. They could sit under them in an evening and not spend so much on heating. They were much appreciated.

People will expect the government to revert to Easter bunny mode but the basket is pretty empty. Obviously we’ll hear the usual moans about taxing billionaires. I checked. We have 177 of them. If we cashed them in, sold them and their families onto the Chinese organ market, we’d probably raise £653bn. (Which we wouldn’t get because most of them are only resident here and most of their money will be working abroad.)
UK government spending was £1,092.4 billion in 2020-21 and out current debt is £2.59 trillion. So cashing in our billionaires would pay off about a quarter of our debt, or perhaps scrap income tax for twelve months.
Still, even without cashing in the billionaires, we’ll probably have enough food, but prices will go up. The foodbanks are gearing up for this, the writing has been on the wall since March. So if you’re in the supermarket and pass the basket that they have for the foodbank, don’t be embarrassed to drop something into it. Everything is appreciated.  


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74 thoughts on “How many solar panels can you eat?

  1. rootsandroutes2012 August 20, 2022 at 5:11 am Reply

    The next election is in 2024… and don’t bet on Trunak waiting until almost Christmas to hold it.

    • jwebster2 August 20, 2022 at 5:14 am Reply

      Have they shifted the fixed term act yet? And the boundary commission report hasn’t been implemented, so I genuinely don’t know

      • rootsandroutes2012 August 20, 2022 at 5:28 am

        I don’t think they have shifted it – not as far as I’ve heard – and of course you may be right about Starmer being smart enough not to *want* victory in the next election. It’s all a bit unlikely, though. Starmer knows he’d be ditched – quite possibly in favour of a Corbynista – if he were to lose an election… and an election which disrupted the nation’s Christmas parties would also disrupt those of its leaders and their opponents

      • jwebster2 August 20, 2022 at 6:37 am

        Not only that but the post Christmas leadership campaigning would be a drag 🙂

  2. Jack Eason August 20, 2022 at 6:27 am Reply

    I heard a well known journalist refer to what’s happening as Globalist Marxism. So Instead of our homegrown numpties in Westminster, or Vlad in Moscow, Blame old Karl Marx? You decide…

    • jwebster2 August 20, 2022 at 6:37 am Reply

      At least he’s dead and cannot be expected to defend himself 🙂

      • rootsandroutes2012 August 20, 2022 at 8:00 am

        Are we due a bicentenary over the next few years? ISTR a students’ union campaign against allowing the union to be dictated to by a 168 year old corpse in Highgate Cemetery… and I did my Bachelor’s degree 1979-82.

      • jwebster2 August 20, 2022 at 8:23 am

        I wonder at what point he gets cancelled

  3. Jack Eason August 20, 2022 at 6:45 am Reply

    Marxist Capitalism, who would have thought it, eh? Marx, Engels and Lenin certainly wouldn’t!!!!!!!!!!

  4. Doug August 20, 2022 at 6:53 am Reply

    For an economist you make a pretty good farmer. Sadly, most people in the UK are still bought into the whole ‘running a country is like running a corner shop’ and ‘the nations credit card is maxed out’. The only reason ever to curb public spending in a fiat economy us to limit inflationary pressure on the exchange rate.

    As we are now with the UK £ already plummeting that point is moot.

    The best thing that could be done is massive public investment in infrastructure. It’s not inflationary, it increases economic return etc… but it won’t happen.

    • jwebster2 August 20, 2022 at 8:20 am Reply

      I suspect it’s the £ and the euro sinking against the Dollar. The pound is very roughly, at its average position against the euro since 2010. (The big collapse came before that)

      The other big reason for curbing public spending is that you can end up with inflation and added to that people are less willing to lend us money

      The big problem for the UK in the long term is that the only way we ever pay off UK government debt is by inflating it away, but currently we’ve got too many of our population hooked on ridiculously low interest rates. After all, I used to regard money at 7% as cheap.

      • Doug August 20, 2022 at 10:57 am

        Hi Jim – who do you think we are borrowing from? It’s all notional borrowing from ourselves that then they add a notional interest rate to. And investment in worthwhile infrastructure isn’t inflationary. It will actually increase the value of the pound. The BOE and the Government could literally wipe out virtually all debt with a couple of keyboard strokes.

        I do know that the £ and Euro are losing value against the dollar because oil trades are $US denominated. (Supposedly one of the factors in the overthrow of Saddam Hussein was proposing to move from $US trading – But that doesn’t explain why the pound is at the lowest level vs A$ I can remember in 35 years.

        If anyone is interested – Modern Monetary Theory (MMT) is the alternative to Hayekian and Keynsian theories.

      • jwebster2 August 20, 2022 at 11:48 am

        Apparently the UK just took delivery of a tanker load of gas from Aus. It’s either the first or second time it’s ever happened. That might explain the strength of your currency?

      • Doug August 20, 2022 at 1:27 pm

        If we’re shipping LNG from Oz to the UK then that’s insane. But the UK government ruled out capping Wells due to cost in the 70s so millions of cubic metres of gas were simply flared off. Looking back it was an insane decision and plenty of people said so at the time, but that’s what you get when you have a government that thinks long term is 5 years, and knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.

  5. Anita Dawes and Jaye Marie August 20, 2022 at 7:59 am Reply

    In my humble opinion, we really need a government who knows how to help our country. Is there such a thing?

    • jwebster2 August 20, 2022 at 8:21 am Reply

      No, and if there was the electorate wouldn’t vote for that level of pain 😦

  6. beetleypete August 20, 2022 at 8:36 am Reply

    Reblogged this on beetleypete and commented:
    Anothre great post from Jim. Whatever your views on environmental issues, remember that we cannot eat trees or solar panels. There has to be more balance.

    • jwebster2 August 20, 2022 at 8:50 am Reply

      You and I are getting awfully sensible at the moment aren’t we 🙂

  7. Cathy Cade August 20, 2022 at 9:21 am Reply

    My husband (an ex-Met policeman) has just read on one of his feeds (mostly emails from other ex-policemen) that the entire fleet of Scottish Police cars are to be replaced by electric vehicles. There’s forward thinking!
    None of their police stations have charging points.
    You couldn’t make it up.

    • rootsandroutes2012 August 20, 2022 at 11:02 am Reply

      Do the EVs have high enough top speeds for when villains need to be chased down… and it they do, do they still have sufficient range at those top speeds?

      • Doug August 20, 2022 at 11:14 am

        Easily, if you have ever driven an electric car – the acceleration is phenomenal. You would need a supercharged V8 towing a trailer of fuel to try and outrun the latest EV. The Tesla S I think has a top speed >200 mph, and even the little type 3 will do 162 mph. High speed car chases over any distance are almost entirely a thing of the past with radios, helicopters and roadblocks.

      • jwebster2 August 20, 2022 at 11:56 am

        I think this sort of simple technology is more common. I know some police forces in the UK have something similar, but with tractor tyres I’m sure I read that they had to call in a marksman to shoot them out 🙂

      • Doug August 20, 2022 at 1:50 pm

        High speed tractor chase? Hmmm strange sort of criminals you have round your way Jim.

      • jwebster2 August 20, 2022 at 3:15 pm
      • jwebster2 August 20, 2022 at 11:49 am

        Don’t worry, the roads will be so cluttered with electric cars that have run out of power you could probably chase the villains down on a push bike 😉

      • rootsandroutes2012 August 20, 2022 at 12:48 pm

        Now you’re talking 🙂

      • Cathy Cade August 21, 2022 at 1:29 pm

        Probably – untill they run out of power.

    • jwebster2 August 20, 2022 at 11:43 am Reply

      You just keep unwinding the cable behind you as you drive and run them on the mains ;-). Just make sure it stays plugged in 🙂

  8. Stevie Turner August 20, 2022 at 9:29 am Reply

    You speak a lot of truth, Jim. No way are we ready to go all-electric unless thousands more charging points are installed over the next few years, but then how will the National Grid cope with this?

    • xantilor August 20, 2022 at 10:09 am Reply

      Stevie, the plebs aren’t intended to have cars in the future, so we won’t need charging points. (I think ‘thousands’ is a bit of an under-estimate…we’d need millions.)

      • jwebster2 August 20, 2022 at 11:45 am

        I suspect that we may look back on the 20th century as a period of unprecedented freedom to travel when you wanted, where you wanted.

      • rootsandroutes2012 August 20, 2022 at 12:46 pm

        It was certainly unprecedented. It may also turn out to be unparalleled.

      • jwebster2 August 20, 2022 at 1:31 pm

        I suspect so to be honest. None of the futures being mapped out for us would have offered the opportunities taken for granted in the 1950s and 60s

      • Stevie Turner August 20, 2022 at 3:15 pm

        Imagine inching forwards for half an hour to get through the Dartford Tunnel… we’d all run low on batteries and end up stranded on the M25!

      • jwebster2 August 20, 2022 at 3:16 pm

        Ah, but they’d fit pedals, so when you were in a traffic jam you could pedal frantically to recharge, and keep the radio and air con going 🙂

    • Sue August 20, 2022 at 10:18 am Reply

      Absolutely…how will theNational Grid manage?

      • jwebster2 August 20, 2022 at 11:46 am

        I’m not confident, I suspect Xantilor may have the answer. I do wonder if the next general election is one anybody wants to win. Whoever is in government between 2025 and 2030 could see their party go the way of the Liberals

      • Sue August 20, 2022 at 8:43 pm

        You might have point…

    • jwebster2 August 20, 2022 at 11:44 am Reply

      I think the simple answer is that it won’t. The amount of spending needed is pretty serious

      • Stevie Turner August 20, 2022 at 3:13 pm

        And there is no money…

      • jwebster2 August 20, 2022 at 3:17 pm

        You know what they say, there’s plenty of money, it’s just in the pockets of the taxpayers/electorate 🙂

      • Stevie Turner August 20, 2022 at 3:18 pm

        I think my pocket’s got a hole in it…

      • jwebster2 August 21, 2022 at 5:05 am

        I suspect a lot of us are feeling that

      • Dan H. August 22, 2022 at 10:39 pm

        The other problem that needs to be faced is that renewable energy sources are only every going to be a minor part of our future energy mix. The highly electrified future requires a lot of nuclear energy, which in turn requires politicians capable of thinking long term. Solar does have a place, and I can easily envisage all building roofs being solar collectors in future, but solar, wind, water etc are only every going to play second fiddle.

        A number of people will not be happy about this future, especially as quite a few conservation areas in towns will have to sacrifice looks over insulation. Perhaps we’ll be needing more prisons before long?

      • jwebster2 August 23, 2022 at 4:51 am

        I suspect that when faced with keeping the lights on, people are going to be far more pragmatic. But yes we are going to need an awful lot more electricity and the whole grid will need reworking

      • rootsandroutes2012 August 23, 2022 at 5:06 am

        Well, those prisons will have large roof areas for solar panels… More seriously, a future which absolutely requires politicians to think long term may sound the death knell for democracy

      • Doug August 23, 2022 at 5:30 am

        Moving away from the current adversarial FPTP electoral system would encourage longer term decision making unlike the current sugar hit short term populist approach. Who knows, government might even be prepared to make longer term decisions on infrastructure. What is killing those decisions at the moment is the lack of consensus between the two major UK parties, partly because of lobby groups. One of the current PM candidates for example is a former oil company exec.

      • jwebster2 August 23, 2022 at 5:42 am

        I would be more convinced that FPTP was the problem if those countries without it were doing so much better. Looking at the situation on the continent at the moment, I’m not sure whether it does .

      • Doug August 23, 2022 at 6:10 am

        There’s a real problem in the UK with the insularity of the press and the inbuilt jingoism and stereotyping. Add that to the general lack of facility on other languages and to most Britons, what is actually happening in Europe is a closed book, or a collection of stereotypes and newspaper headlines about ‘unstable Italians’, ‘vindictive French’, or ‘Stupid Germans in hock to Russia’. (That’s if they aren’t still clinging to stereotypes from 1950s war movies.)

        Perhaps if UK voters had a better idea how things worked in 27 countries they might stop clinging to the ridiculous notion that the Westminster system is both the mother of Parliaments and the best possible form of democracy. They might even begin to wonder how some other countries, like Norway, Portugal, Denmark, the Baltic States, Slovakia, Austria and yes, Germany, seem to be better governed and doing better than the UK.

      • jwebster2 August 23, 2022 at 7:08 am

        I think one issue is that Europe is overlooked because both of languages and also of our context. Like many others, in spite of the state trying to teach me French from the age of seven to 18, it never stuck.
        With regard to context, even in a one horse town like this, we have six Turkish barbers shops (all of whom live locally, their children go to local schools, their wives work and shop here) the corner shop I called in is run by a Kurd, the pizza delivery lad I rescued because he was hopelessly lost was an Afghan. The last two parcel delivery drivers were Syrian and from Sri Lanka. The only person I’ve met in weeks who was born in the current EU is the Spanish wife of the Kurdish shop keeper. 🙂

      • Doug August 23, 2022 at 7:27 am

        The current British High Street, no banks, no department stores, no jewellers, no tailors: a wetherspoons, a cheap supermarket largely selling fags and booze, pawn shops, bookies, nail salons, £ shops, charity shops, hairdressers/barbers and some chain cafes/fast food outlets if you’re lucky. The frog is well boiled by now.

      • jwebster2 August 23, 2022 at 9:56 am

        Talking to people round here, they haven’t really noticed because they shop on line, or out at the edge of town. There is no real purpose for town centres. Here, they’re converting ours back to housing

      • jwebster2 August 23, 2022 at 5:45 am

        Or perhaps it might be the death knell for the career politician? The track record of this age of politicians who have nothing to do but politics doesn’t compare particularly well to the track record of a previous generation who had proper jobs and the House of Commons never sat until 3pm

      • Doug August 23, 2022 at 5:58 am

        Absolutely not true. But the whole ‘base load’ fallacy is now so deeply rooted that it’s hard to overcome. (Can you believe this argument was deplyed in Australia, Against solar plus storage?) It doesn’t help that our current crop of politicians have killed off substantial investments in wave power (tidal), wind and solar/ hydro storage, plus removing incentives for small scale renewables. You might almost think they had some motive to prefer fossil fuel and nuclear.

        In the near future we’re also going to have to realise that hydrocarbons are too critical to our way of life to just keep burning them for heat, or come up with an economic substitute for the multitude of plastics we use.

        At the moment, tidal, solar and geothermal (not suitable for the UK) plus much improved storage (look up Adelaide and Big Battery) look like the mechanisms with the most potential. Solar on existing structures (not farmland!) To reduce local demand and minimise connector needs, tidal for base, and wind for immediate use/storage.

        Currently Scotland produces the equivalent of between 95 and 99% of its overall electricity demand (although it’s a net electricity exporter) from renewables. But that’s only part of the energy picture, for transport in particular.

        It all needs serious commitment and investment though, and we don’t seem to have UK politicians prepared to listen to science.

  9. Doug August 20, 2022 at 11:07 am Reply

    At the last count there were well over 200 public charging points in the city of 180,000 where I live. There area lot of other non-public points as well, for council vehicles, university vehicles etc. A lot more will be required, but it’s going to need changes to planning regs and guidance to really take off. I can’t see the current UK government doing that. Instead they just kick the can down the road or blame someone else.

    • jwebster2 August 20, 2022 at 11:50 am Reply

      The problem is that the vast majority of people will not be able to charge from home. Do you dangle the cable from the window of your fourth floor flat? Leave it lying across the pavement all night from your terraced home?

      • Doug August 20, 2022 at 1:49 pm

        What’s happening here is reserved chargers for blocks of flats. But there is going to have to be some imaginative thinking around old build. Lockable pop up in ground is being trialled. It’s not insurmountable.

        And I agree that using farmland for solar arrays isn’t a great idea. But let’s just make it mandatory that all new build includes solar. The cost would be negligible and supports emerging industry. The university here has trial solar that is massively more efficient than most existing PV.

        Mini solar pumped hydro is also interesting but if you really want massive reliable electricity generation then wave power is the way to go. Unfortunately the schemes that were supposed to pilot the tech have all been scrapped. It’s not a government that listens to scientists.

  10. John August 20, 2022 at 12:39 pm Reply

    I think the best idea is for everybody to get themselves independent of anything all that Russia can supply and that they can turn into a weapon …this includes their oil, their gas, their energy, their crops, anything that another country can become dependent upon and that Russia can use as a weapon …The second thing is, stop the solar panel crap and use the land for agriculture to feed your own people with first and then to export some if there is any left over for export but feed the home people first before the foreigners …and forget about the boilers and make the government come up some help for the people of the UK to get air conditioners for their homes. And while you are at it, get the government to lighten up on elderly folks wasting their time, energy and money chasing down bureaucrats to get something as simple as a driving licence renewal accomplished in a reasonable length of time.

    • jwebster2 August 20, 2022 at 1:30 pm Reply

      If government could be relied upon to do competently the tasks it already has, then it could start looking for extra roles

  11. Eddy Winko August 20, 2022 at 1:34 pm Reply

    I just listened to The Big Green Money Show on Radio 5 on the subject of food waste and I heard a surprising statistic (who knows if its true) If we stopped throwing away bread (the second largest source of food waste in the UK) then we could free up 200,000 hectares of land needed to grow the wheat ( On reflection this could be a global figure as it seems very high to me, but even still that’s a lot of solar panels 🙂
    Just a shame the UK gov doesn’t think more about providing grants for rooftop installations, an article in the Independent declared that the payback time is a little over 4 years on a 3Kw system now energy prices have increased. Imagine if half of that was paid by a grant how many shiny roofs there would be. It might also help with your national grid problem 🙂

    • jwebster2 August 20, 2022 at 3:14 pm Reply

      Yes, I am from the generation where you cleaned your plate, and nothing was wasted.

  12. Pat August 20, 2022 at 5:43 pm Reply

    Good to see you’re still alive and kicking, Jim!
    Good post.

    More food for (many) thoughts, here:

    20 years of head banging. Who’d have thunk it?

    • jwebster2 August 21, 2022 at 5:07 am Reply

      Yes, still here 🙂
      Thanks for the link

  13. Pat August 21, 2022 at 8:18 am Reply

    The headlong rush to Net Zero, by the UK and other countries, while leaving the big boys (China, India, Russia etc) to play with coal / oil / gas powered energy, is economic suicide, imo.
    To balance the grid when the sun doesn’t shine on the panels or there’s no wind to power the turbines must be an expensive nightmare. Which is where the dirty diesel STOR generators come in. On standby to fuel the country when the grid falls below capacity. Four candles, anyone?

    We put solar panels on the cattle buildings 8 years ago, and on the whole they’ve been a success. The price of exported power is set to treble again by next spring, having already trebled this year. That feeds through to the consumer, this country having had a virtue feast of blowing up our coal fired power stations, replacing with gas powered or the mighty Drax. And feeding the latter on imported dried wood chip from N. America.
    How ‘green’ is that? And how sustainable?

    The Con/Lib pact in the form of Ed Davey, blocked the creation of gas storage facilities during their tenure, thus we are on catch up and sourcing LNG from Australia, in an very competitive market.

    We farm beef cattle now, and some sheep, those hairy / woolly things hated by many an eco zealot. So this grassland farm has a big store of carbon, including 20 acres of woodland. Which companies, some based in Pall Mall, now want us to ‘harvest’ and sell, to offset the dirty habits of global multi nationals so that they claim they have achieved the magic ‘Net Zero’.

    This is the worst ‘ponzi’ scheme I have ever heard of. Greenwashing.

    So I agree Jim, we can’t eat solar panels, or concrete, or trees. But that is currently the preferred direction of much of our land use. In the mistaken belief that our food comes shrink wrapped from supermarkets, and it will be available to buy – from anywhere in the world at any time.

    Very sad.

    • jwebster2 August 21, 2022 at 8:35 am Reply

      Very sad indeed. I must admit I am very very wary of offsetting schemes as they lock your land into them, theoretically forever and I can see them slashing the capital value

  14. M T McGuire August 21, 2022 at 1:56 pm Reply

    It seems to me that the bleedin obvious way to boost solar power is to subsidise sticking solar panels of everyone’s roofs. That’s a lot of redundant space. Stick solar panels on that and free up the countryside. Then estimate people to know what a normal vegetables look like. That would be a start. A couple of years ago I watched a documentary about knobbly vegetables. In it you’ve got someone who’s happy because he’s only got 100,000 cabbages left to rot in the field out of 400, 000. If they’re happy about that I’d say something is wrong. Sure if they 100,000 cabbages have got maggots in, fine. But these were left there because they were too small or too big or a non standard shape. We waste everything, and in our bid to be efficient we seem sacrifice and investiges of actual real efficiency.

    I’ll remember about the blankets next time I’m donating to the food bank.

    • M T McGuire August 21, 2022 at 1:57 pm Reply

      Educate, not estimate.

      • jwebster2 August 21, 2022 at 3:24 pm

        That deserves a meme 🙂

      • M T McGuire August 21, 2022 at 3:24 pm


    • jwebster2 August 21, 2022 at 3:23 pm Reply

      Supermarket standards are a nightmare because they confuse standards necessary for health and standards that exist to get an edge of their competitors, or to look good in press releases. Wonky veg fall firmly into the latter two categories 😦

      • M T McGuire August 21, 2022 at 3:25 pm

        Yeh. I can believe it.

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  16. Jack Eason August 29, 2022 at 6:07 am Reply

    Reblogged this on Have We Had Help? and commented:
    More from Jim.

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